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By now it is no secret that Qobuz, the highly anticipated, well regarded European streaming site will open their doors, so to speak, to subscribers in the USA. Purportedly beginning in October, the US market will finally, and for some at long last, have a different choice than Tidal for high quality sound.
Anyone whose standard for musical excellence does not extend beyond Pandora or Spotify will hardly be concerned about any of this. Mp3 is, after all, Mp3 and a level of quality I like to call the “skin of the snake.” While I do have an iPod, I use it exclusively in the car and likewise would never consider it a replacement for my Sonos system downstairs, let alone the big system in the audio room. Of course, that makes perfect sense as none are especially intended to replace any of the others to begin with.
I’m an audiophile and as such, care about the level of quality of the music to which I listen. While I continue to not see streamed anything as a sonic equivalent or replacement for my server / DAC, and that is my opinion alone, it certainly does not mean there are not scores of audiophiles eagerly anticipating an alternative to Tidal. Having only the one source currently is a manageable thing for most people, but having additional sources will always be welcomed. And in this instance, Qobuz will probably be championed in the US.
Rumors abound regarding the financial stability of Tidal. With a quick Internet search, differing viewpoints may easily be found – some purporting Tidal’s imminent demise to alternatively everything being absolutely fine. Personally, I pay little attention to any of this because as we all know, everything on the Internet is “one hundred percent accurate!” As if that were the case. I prefer to not speculate about Tidal’s fiscal steadfastness until the day comes when I am unable to use their services. Until that day arrives, I pay my monthly fee, whatever that might be, and tune in every so often to investigate some new title about which I may be interested.
Going on the basis that Tidal will be around for a while, it will be very interesting to see how the “Streaming Wars” will pan out – if at all. Will Tidal lose myriads of subscribers to Qobuz? Will subscribers remain loyal to the one that brought them to the dance? Will a preponderance of listeners subscribe to both? For my purposes I will probably subscribe to both and if history in any perceptible way repeats itself, will seldom use either one. However, my proclivities aside, I am confident there are quite a LOT of audiophiles just champing at the bit to see an alternative to Tidal.
Much of the success or lack thereof to Qobuz gaining a foothold in the US is dependent on sonic quality. Even the standard CD resolution offered by Tidal is more than acceptable. If Qobuz is something less than that, and I have zero expectation that is the case due to its popularity in Europe, the French service may run into trouble.
Another issue is bandwidth and the transmission rate. My neighborhood was one of the first in town to have access to AT&T 1000 Mbps fiber optic Internet service so I doubt I will have any issues whatsoever downloading a second service. For those who have a lower bandwidth, and that being anything less than 20 Mbps, streaming may be somewhat slow. Given the affordable cost of bandwidth in current times, and the download speeds available, I doubt this will be much of an issue. Anyone planning to use both, and particularly in those probably rare instances where both are being streamed at the same time, better check that bandwidth.
MQA. I hesitate to even mention that particular service. Just the letters alone sparks a polarizing take on a format that supposedly delivers a high rez sound in a standard resolution footprint. Tidal has MQA. Qobuz offers higher than 44.1 / 16 resolution. To hear the fully unfolded MQA signal, an MQA compatible DAC is required. I have a Bluesound Node 2 that I use to stream Tidal. It only can process up to 96 / 24. My DAC is capable up to 192 / 24 and can up sample to DSD. I wonder, which is the better option – rely on MQA content from Tidal at something less than the fully unfolded resolution, or will there be a greater amount of High Rez music with Qobuz – all of which my DAC can process? Simply put, is there more High Rez music on Qobuz than MQA music on Tidal?
I suppose it basically boils down to the listener’s opinion of MQA. For those like myself who have yet to be universally impressed by this new format, I probably won’t ever have an inkling of concern about whether or not Qobuz associates itself with MQA. For those that enjoy and support what MQA purports to deliver, Qobuz may not be a worthy option to Tidal – or maybe it will only be an adjunct to an existing platform. If Qobuz should adopt MQA that will be a whole different kettle of fish.
If a streaming war does break out, and if that would ever happen is debatable, I wonder where it will lead? Will we have a price war committed to swaying subscribers from one service to another? If so, users will be the obvious beneficiary. Will the two services play nicely and have a symbiotic relationship? Will one falter under the possible loss of revenue from a divestiture of subscribers? Will the other fail to gain a foothold in an already crowded US streaming market? Is Qobuz dedicated to the long haul or will they decide after some short measure of time that playing across the pond is just not worth the effort?
I certainly don’t know but will be interested to wait and see. And listen…
I long for a replacement for Tidal. Its in your face promotion of vulgar pop garbage is abhorant.
Jeez dude, just ignore it. Oh, and go tell the kids to get off your lawn.
Agree. Their recommendations are total bs. Not even close to call it music.
Paul, I got a hold of what looks like a copy of a Tidal monthly royalty payment schedule last year. The Hi-Fi tier numbers were unimpressive about 170,000 subscribers worldwide. And Tidal didn’t pay all their taxes to the Norwegian government (confirmed in June of 2016).
MQA has not generated any significant revenue from inception to December 31, 2017. About 180,000 Pounds. Their expenses are about a hundred times that.
With MQA the question is have any successful companies signed on? With CD quality or higher streaming does any one actually care?
Steve, I personally would not want to be in Tidal’s shoes right now. However, I suppose it does not hurt to give them the benefit of the doubt. I tried to do just that in the article. I hope they succeed but it does appear they are struggling.
Hi Paul, please check your Node 2 settings, since it is capable to unfold up to 24/192 and not 24/96
Peter thanks for letting me know that. I’m not really a big fan of streaming and seldom do I use the Node 2. So I really don’t have an in-depth knowledge of what it can do. Basically, I use it to verify new music I want to purchase to copy to my server. I will look into the settings, however, to see how it is set. Thanks again for the heads up.
The Node 2 has a 1GHz ARM Cortex-9 multicore processor and audio conversion is handled by a 32 bit 192 kHz DAC. Just listen with the analogue output of the Node2 connected to your system – might surprise you 😉
I like/use Tidal Hi-Fi but they don’t seem to have an abundance of film scores. I checked Qobuz a few months back and they have a lot more – or at least I was able to find a lot more than I can on Tidal.
Next month – if all goes well – I’m going to order an Auralic Aries G2 music streamer. I wanted this one because it’s not tied to a single service. It seems quite a few streamers only have a tie-in to Tidal. I wanted more options in case Tidal went belly-up or if another service – like Qobuz – is a better fit for me.
why hasnt anyone mentioned Deezer HiFi?
i stream through my Yamaha R N803 into Def Tech Studio Monitors and i am blown away by what i hear.
what i like most about Deezer is they are not relentlessly pushing a very specific music genre.
they actually pay attention to what you listen to !
Agreed, Deezer has by far the best AI. I prefer ´flow’ to my own playlists :). So much new music to discover according to your actual taste.
I welcome the arrival of Qobuz as competition can only make things better. Personally, I use Spotify. I know this is sacrilege but I use the Spotify Connect App to pull music to my Denon receiver and I think the sound is fantastic.
I’ve been using Qobuz for a few years now and love it.
The CD level streaming sounds great, the Hi-res downloads are affordable and you can stream purchases at full hi-res too. I even stream CD quality via the iPhone in the car to the car stereo by Bluetooth and it’s good. Best thing with French background is the huge selection of Jazz, World and Classical music.
The computer and ophone apps are good and of course you can forget about MQA, and use any decent DAC
For me best is streaming on my Mac playing via the Audirvarna integration, which lifts quality even further